Final Score 23 – "Parenting in a Postal 2 World"

Welcome to episode 23!

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Legal reasons held up about whether or not you own your own games, parents say they want bans on violent games, and Halo breaking some big records this week.

Steam Price Drops
“Mass Effect 2 [3] – $29.99, was $39.99 (Only reduced in US/CA)
Mass Effect 2 Digital Deluxe Edition [3] – $39.99, was $59.99 (Only reduced in US/CA)
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II Chaos Rising – $19.99, was $29.99 (Not reduced in AU/NZ)”

Amazon has a sale of Mad World for the Wii (normally $19.99 on sale $7.15)

Kmart PS Move Deals: “From 9/17 through 9/25 we’ll be offering some great deals on PlayStation Move consoles, accessories and games:
Get a $25 Kmart gaming coupon with every in-store purchase of a PlayStation Move bundle (This includes one PlayStation Move controller, one PlayStation Eye Camera and Sport Champions PS3 game) for $99.99

Get a $40 Kmart gaming coupon with your in-store purchase of a PS3 system (320GB) and the aforementioned Move bundle for $399.99

Get a $10 Kmart gaming coupon when you buy one of the following PS3 Move accessories in store: a PS3 Move controller, a PS3 Move Navigation controller or a PS3 Move charging station

Get a $10 Kmart gaming coupon with the in-store purchase of Toy Story 3, Start the Party, Eye Pet, Kung Fu Rider or Sport Champions”

Microsoft Live is 40% off (plus halo helmet) only $29.99 for 1 year to celebrate Halo Reach, plus free live weekend Sept 17-19

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15 thoughts on “Final Score 23 – "Parenting in a Postal 2 World"

  1. If they want to put regulations on selling the games to minors I’m fine with that. I am not cool with them trying to ban them though. First amendment anyone? Also people need to stop judging games and movies separately.

    For example a movie might get made about a particular war. This movie could go on to get massive praise from critics, win awards and so on.

    Then a game might get made based on the exact same war and people will protest it and demonize it while they are praising the movie based on the exact same thing.

  2. I love the smacktalk thing. Please keep it in the show and use it as often as possible – not sarcasm. I really like it. Still not sarcasm. The end.

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  4. I’m a little confused on the parental control issue. Like Brian mentioned, the poll (at least as it’s described in the link you provided) doesn’t say anything about banning the games outright. It says “a law that prohibits minors from purchasing ultraviolent or sexually violent video games WITHOUT PARENTAL CONSENT.”

    Additionally, the article says “What we’ve learned from this poll is that parents want to be the ones who decide which games their kids play, not the video game industry.”

    Where it says “banning the sale of these games” it’s referring to the context of the paragraph which is about banning the sale to minors. Maybe I’m wrong about that, but at least from the article you linked it doesn’t sound like an outright banning of the games is what’s going on.

    I totally agree with you that games shouldn’t be completely banned. In fact, I hate the fact that no stores will carry AO rated games because that amounts to the ESRB being able to completely censor games since no one will sell them. I just think that you guys are completely misunderstanding this article.

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  6. Passing actual legislation to punish businesses who sell mature rated games to minors is a horrible idea for those of us adults that don’t want to walk into specialty stores to find them. The response from big box retailers would most likely come in the form of removal of all M rated games from their shelves. They aren’t going to want to take the chance of some clerk costing them thousands of dollars when they can still carry hundreds of games rated E to T.

    You can take that paragraph and substitute the words ‘R-rated’ and ‘Movie’ for ‘mature’ and ‘video game.’

    Also, this:

  7. @Derick You’re not the only one confused. I’ve looked at a ton of websites sourcing this study and it seems that CSM is talking out both sides of their mouth. The main statement this organization is stating is “72 Percent of Adults Support a Ban on the Sale of Ultraviolent Video Games to Minors” and for me that is saying either the government or the game stores need to not sell these games to minors (no duh), but then I ready a second statement they released saying “What we’ve learned from this poll is that parents want to be the ones deciding which games their kids play, not the video game industry.”

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the 2nd statement go against the main point they are trying to make? If you let the parents decide, then you don’t need to rely on the government or stores to decide for you. Either way it’s no wonder we went around in a circle about this topic.

    I have however found more information about the court case happening on Nov 2 and why we as gamers need to know what could happen to our hobby as a result of something like this passing. Here’s a link to the ECA website telling you exactly what the deal is with the legislation But here is the main point:

    The vagueness of the law means that creators and retailers of video games do not know where the line is and the labeling required by the California law could be contradictory to the ESRB’s own labeling. This could lead to at least two outcomes that would harm consumers.

    It could chill the speech of the game makers. If the game makers were going to design a game which would receive a “T for Teen” rating under the ESRB’s rating system, but would still be labeled violent under the California law, the game maker could change how they express themselves in the game, and thus arbitrarily change our game playing experience as a result.

    The law would also create confusing and possibly contradictory labeling in California. If a game that is labeled “T for Teen” by the ESRB is also required to carry the California mandated warning label, it undermines the credibility of the ESRB and leads to confusion on the part of parents trying to decide what games are right for their children."

    I also found out a bit more from the company that made the survey. TG Daily actually interviewed the CEO of Common Sense Media

  8. In regards to headsets for the PC, there’s a “cheap” option out there as well if you need wireless: the Plantronics 995. It’s pretty good and usually $50 or so at Amazon. I picked it up last year and haven’t had any issues with it, battery life is good too, but I opted with wireless because I had to keep buying a headset every 3mo due to the cord tearing and at the time this was the best deal (back then it was $99+ for wireless).

  9. I think you guys got it a bit wrong on the EULA story. The actual story is that a company bought AutoCAD, along with an agreement that they would continue to get a discount on upgrades, as long as they destroyed the original discs. They didn’t destroy the original version, they sold it to this guy who sells software on eBay. The court ruled he couldn’t sell the discs because he didn’t own them, since the original owner had agreed to destroy them in exchange for free upgrades (the EULA). If he had been able to sell them it would mean the original owner would have their copy of AutoCAD, AND whoever bought the discs would have a copy.

    If you read the judgement, the original owner got a $3500 discount because he upgraded his software (with a promise he would destroy the previous version), he didn’t buy the newest version at full price. Then he resold the original, and wanted to continue to run the new version.

  10. I actually like Postal 2 and recently bought it months ago on GOG along with Painkiller and Duke Nukem 3D. Of course, I’m 29, and I like Postal 2 for the comedy factor and a little stress relief because it is extreme so you KNOW it isn’t realistic.

    It’s definitely not for everyone and it’s also VERY OLD. So the question answers itself. Why they are even using Postal 2 when it’s both PC (“cool kids” are on console games) and it’s old as dirt except for politics and shock value? Vote for me because I will help you raise your precious re-re children. You have to focus on the violent extremes and show the dumb parents so you can force their votes. Simple as that. Doesn’t matter who they inconvenience or put out of business and we all know if they were getting a cut or there was a Video Games Lobby, it would be the exact opposite and video games would be solved down everyone’s throats. They are never going to bother with the games that put video games in a positive or decent light. It doesn’t help their cause or their pockets.

  11. Oh and since I am actually commenting AS I’m listening to show and I’m only 45 minutes in and heard about Scott missing his Sega CD, and I had the perfect solution.

    Go find an emulator program called “WGens” (or alternatively Gens32 Surreal). Remember that emulators themselves are not illegal if you’re worried about that. That said, WGens is great because you can play the actual physical Sega CD disc from your CD/DVD Rom Drive so if you have the real disc, you have a perfectly legal option for returning to old glory. Combine this (incidentally with the other topic today) with buying old Sega CD games on E-bay and you can go right back to your teenage years of playing Sonic CD and Spider-Man vs Kingpin.

    Now, obviously if you are little more… “legally ambiguous,” there are Sega CD roms out there from very reliable sites (I get mine only from since not many even look for Sega CD). Still, you have the more legal option of just having the game and playing through your CD/DVD-Rom.

    I myself am trying to beat Snatcher finally, which is a great noir cyberpunk Blade Runner meets classic detective movie type of game and I love it. Makes me want to don a trench coat and go save a dame from evil robots.

  12. The reason the computers have green screens in Fallout 3 is because the nuclear holocaust happened somewhere between a more advanced 1950 and 1967.


    A nice round up of the EULA issue at the top of the show. Hopefully it will let everyone relax. Essentially your resale rights are likely to continue on packaged goods like Halo. For things like Starcraft2 and WoW, which you don’t own but license, you can’t resell, though that’s not from this ruling that’s always been the case for anyting that requires a CD key, or login coding to install the product. The big difference between a game like Halo and a game like Starcraft 2 in terms of ownership are the way that your are allowed to interact and install the game.

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